All right, what we want to do is regauge this, to make sure we got the right size. All right, so the inside is the size of this tool, and the rim is as wide as this tool, so it's real easy to just use any kind of objects you have around the studio, to gauge and see how big you need to go, or you can just go out and get some calipers, but you really don"t need them. So this one is all cut, and it's off of the bat, and you transfer into the ware board, and we want to keep it on the bat until it's leather hard enough to where we can flip it upside down, let it set up, and you can just, I mean if you're outside, if you have an outside studio, you can put them all outside in the sun, upside down, and let them rapidly dry, and the faster you get these guys dried and trimmed, the less likely you are going to have any cracks, down the road.