In this segment, I just want to show you, using a, a, just a standard reflector bouncing off the background. Some back lighting, and how you can use that to create an interesting look. And then, this is kind of what it looks before I throw in some white cards. What I'm going to do is I'm going to bounce some light off the background, so that you're really bright and white. And we'll have, and then I'm going to bring a white card up front very close to her, and then, that light will fill in, fill in her face. But, we'll also have an interesting kind of fall off around her head and shoulders. What I'm using are foam bes. And these are just large pieces of foam core that I've taped together. And, and, I'm going to use these to bounce the light in on Sandy, and create the look that I'm going for. Now, the thing is, it's, it's kind of hard to see what the, see what the modeling light, what's going on, because the light is going to be pretty weak that's going off. But, it's one of those things where the more you experiment with it, the better you're going to get at it. Sometimes you're just sticking them right into a big white tent, it almost feels like. In this segment, I just want to mention something about glare. When you're back lighting anything, that's actually, it can be a very big problem. So, you want to make sure that you're using a very high quality lens that's got a good coating on it. And then, also you, it has a really, you know, it also depends on where, how you've got your light positioned, and your white cards, and things like that. I'm actually going to bring the white card in quite a bit, because I want to bounce a lot of light into her. So, this will bring in just a little, a slightly different, you know, change them up just a little bit.